These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. I agree! There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. Bottom line, tithing was commanded for Jews under Law. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. I watched a man die last week. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. We should stand out because we are different. Greg, God bless. An interesting read. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. I understand all that. 2. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. Ok how about some peace Blessed are the peacemakers I apologize for my abrasive writing style and did not purposely write to offend you, but make no mistake, someone can be dunked until they know every minnow by name, but that doesnt make them saved. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. In answer your assumptions about me. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. If that membership does not disqualify us I would say that we qualify as true baptists under your definition of the term. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Theres no recourse. 8. For example these same people existed when He taught to look upon a woman with lust was Adultry & not just the physcial act. Henry Jacob. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. Hope youll check it out. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. I would agree with this. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. If I wanted to tithe I wouldnt know where to go, because tithes were paid to a levitical priest. There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. However, after independence was won and the Constitutional written giving all Americans religious freedom, the Baptist again began to grow until today they are the largest denomination in the United States. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. Is it based on the individual church or whole congregations? HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Where the pastors power is total? You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. 451 Likes, 8 Comments - Spencer Smith (@spencersmith312) on Instagram: "I was saved at 18 at an independent, fundamental baptist church. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. Read More. Modern church history is irrelevant, not only to our topic but to us in general. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. 7. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) So, obligating someone to feel like they mustis not I believe what God wants. This was the birth of Protestant churches. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. I am Presbyterian and we had a discussion on Christian doctrine. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. Dress codes are not the problems. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . Updates? Not just the New Testament. I will not post here again. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. Also, those who God draws will come to Christ and believe in Him. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? For an example there is Patrick of Ireland. 74. No church in the NT took that label. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. The ordinance of baptism, or 2. Nothing comforted. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). I would like to hear further explanation of the following: The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. I should have or you should have? And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. Gossips offer plausible deniability. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. Thanks but addressed all points. I read what you wrote, thats why I replied with what I wrote. His resources are free from this sight. Members are encouraged to post contact information for such churches. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. How can you not see that? Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. @greg To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. Everyone knew this was a farce. We should never be arrogant in the word, instead humble. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. Something else to note here, what were they tithing? He records that five hundred others who were identified as Anabaptists were also killed in England during this period. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. How many people are in churches were the pastor is unaccountable? I wish you well in your new school and church. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. What does this have to do with our discussion? What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. @greg IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Today we are excited to announce Independent Baptist Churches. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. So, IT IS in the New Testament! Filter Churches. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. I cannot judge this man. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. NOT ONE. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. Sounds like maybe you are in a pretty good church. either. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. Fundamental Baptists are strict in interpreting the Bible in a literal sense. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. @greg It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? Northwest Bible Baptist Church is an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental Baptist church in Elgin, IL that believes, preaches, and practices the Bible. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. PEOPLE are the problem! For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. PO BOX 346. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. Hello, Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. (For a explanation of the biblical role of deacons please go to http://bible-truth.org/deacon.html, The pastor of the church is called by majority vote of the congregation. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. fundamental, Baptist, church. Also, I support tithing personally. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. So you made assumptions based on very little. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. 13:8-10). I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. greg, To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. It is an important part of the church. I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Baptists are not Protestants! They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. It became an independent church in 1746. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on.

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